Oblivion (and other Bethesda RPGs)

Started by Mr Party Hat
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Mr Party Hat

Thought I'd add the bit in brackets seeing as there's a rumoured Fallout 3 remaster on the way.

This Oblivion remaster is bloody brilliant. I reckon Oblivion was always better than Skyrim (for me, the only thing Skyrim does better is incidental stories in random caves), and this is the perfect way to play a fantastic game.

The Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood quests, in particular, are absolutely magic. As is the magic, which is much more interesting than Skyrim's. Lick of paint aside, this is still the same game it was 20 years ago (quite literally, it's running on the old engine underneath the shiny graphics) and it's mad how much better it is than Starfield. Let's hope that was a blip, and TES6 is another banger.

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Garwoofoo

Oblivion's great - I haven't played the remastered version yet because I'm still finishing off the really-quite-similar Avowed, but I'm sure I'll get round to it in time.

I do think Bethesda's been in decline for 20 years or more though - it's just that they release so few games that people have been slow to notice. As expectations and technical demands grow, their creaking old engines and ancient game design just don't seem to keep pace.

Personally I think Morrowind is the best Elder Scrolls game, with Oblivion a step down from that in terms of world design and player freedom, and Skyrim a step down from that in terms of RPG mechanics and quest design. Likewise Fallout 3/NV are more interesting than Fallout 4 which in turn is much better than (different game design admittedly) Fallout 76. And Starfield is just a highly-polished turd that was clearly meant to be something else at some point in development then just got refitted into "another Bethesda game" when they had nothing to show after years of work.

I'm not holding out much hope for TES6 until I see solid evidence that they've been willing to change things up a bit, lose the jank and work out what a modern game actually looks like. But maybe I'm a cynic.

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Alastor

Morrowind is my favourite too, but there's something nice about how easy Oblivion and Skyrim are in terms of just not having to worry about anything

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d0k

Yes, Morrowind is best. By far. It's not even close. Morrowind plays like an RPG; Oblivion/Skyrim plays like an action/adventure with RPG elements. It's laughable that there are some people who complain about its combat, talking about swinging the weapon and not hitting anything like you have in the newer games because they don't understand how RPG combat works, they just think "sword visibly hits enemy, should do damage!"

But regarding the Oblivion remaster, I have Oblivion. Have had it since its original release, forever ago. What possible reason do you need to buy a new version of it for? The graphics? Are people seriously that concerned about graphics that they consider a nice looking game from ~20 years ago unacceptable enough to need a new version? Playing it on a shiny new console? The original plays on any laughable potato PC for the most casual browser/email user and runs it just fine.

Waste of time, money, and resources to remaster/remake these old games. Make new games. Good ones, preferably. Maybe that's a spicy opinion, but seriously, I don't get the point.

Also also, even though the gameplay engine itself for NuBlivion is still Gamebryo, the graphics engine is now Unreal Engine 5, famous for taking what would have required a basic, mid-range PC and elevating the requirements to a ultra-high end system because the UE5 engine is so laughably unoptimized and slow. Please use any other engine than UE5, developers.

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Garwoofoo

Also also, even though the gameplay engine itself for NuBlivion is still Gamebryo, the graphics engine is now Unreal Engine 5, famous for taking what would have required a basic, mid-range PC and elevating the requirements to a ultra-high end system because the UE5 engine is so laughably unoptimized and slow. Please use any other engine than UE5, developers.

You're right but also it's worth bearing in mind that UE5 appears to do a lot of heavy lifting for developers and we're starting to see some big games coming out now with AAA production values made by relatively small teams: stuff like Expedition 33, Avowed and indeed this Oblivion remaster. I can understand why teams are using it, and if it allows them to turn out great games more quickly then I'm all for it. (Or maybe it's just the fact that in general the consoles handle UE5 quite well, I'm not really coming at it from the same point of view as you).

Either way, original Oblivion still exists and is perfectly fine - this new version is really just a marketing tool for the next Elder Scrolls game, I guess, but if it encourages more people to play this then that's not a bad thing.

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Mr Party Hat

Yeah this is very much a case of, you can still play the old thing if you like. Enjoy!

I see a lot of moaning about UE5 online, mainly from the PC crowd, but I think it's a marvel. From Myst and Riven remakes to Avowed and Oblivion, it's been responsible for some of the most stunning games I've ever seen. And I must be super lucky because I've never encountered any hitching, stuttering etc, even on my lowly 4060.

Morrowind is clearly great, but it's a bit TOO old and janky for me now. I'll play it in a few years when they remaster and add ray tracing. 🎣

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Alastor

I know Gar said this a few pages back, or in another thread but I just checked and man, ESO really does almost have all of Tamriel in there huh

You know how you could spend ages in this game just reading the insane amount of books and lore? Imagine having a Library Crawl in this D:. Also bring back the Morag tong (inb4 the Morag Tong are in ESO)