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Cute fox does the Zelda thing, with some Dark Souls energy. Discuss!

I'm very glad I've put the invincible mode on. I'd have got so angry last night without it. I'm finding it's perfectly playable with no risk at all, and it's surprisingly relaxing to just potter about and explore when you know you don't have to be scared of every little lobster.

I'm currently

Spoiler - click to showin a cathedral facing some kind of… not boss rush, because they're regular enemies and you can choose the order you face them in. All seem manageable, except one group of magicians who can target you from miles away and teleport when you're close enough to attack.

I don't want to turn on invincibility. I really don't.

I get frustrated enough at how obtuse the thing is at times - dying repeatedly on top would just sour the experience completely. I do still try and fight "properly", even just to see if I can train myself to the point where I could consider turning it off, but I'm just not that good at it.

Having taken a couple of days' break from it was A Bad Idea, though, because I spent most of my last session just trying desperately to remember where anything is.

I read what can only be described as a spoiler earlier, which made me both marvel at the creativity in the game design and despair at how I would ever work it out. But I know now, so at least now I know.

I found the Quarry.

I don't like the Quarry.

I'm assuming you already discovered 'that' mechanic. What a horrid, horrid thing to have to work around. Although if you have no damage on, maybe you haven't…

I know what you mean - even with invincibility, Spoiler - click to showyour health bar drops to a single pixel though I didn't have to deal with the mechanical fallout, obviously.

Got one of the keys, then stumbled onto the second entirely by accident while exploring somewhere I'd already briefly been; just Blue left, and while I expect it's going to go on a while yet, I still feel like I've missed loads - there are tons of still-inaccessible(?) chests around the overworld, and I think I'm missing at least one ability?

I still don't know what any of the less-obvious notes on the manual pages really mean, and I unlocked an achievement with the description "understood the margin of page 17", but I have absolutely no idea how I did it.

Got one of the keys, then stumbled onto the second entirely by accident while exploring somewhere I'd already briefly been; just Blue left, and while I expect it's going to go on a while yet, I still feel like I've missed loads - there are tons of still-inaccessible(?) chests around the overworld, and I think I'm missing at least one ability?

It feels that way for me too, though based on where I am and something I've found, I think I know what it is? Maybe? We'll see.

Confused though, how are you still missing Blue if you've been to the Quarry? Unless I'm misremembering.

Spoiler - click to showRed is in the Forest Fortress guarded by the Siege Engine, Green is through the Ruined Atoll after killing the Librarian and Blue is in the Ziggurat under the Quarry where the Scavenger leader is.

I still don't know what any of the less-obvious notes on the manual pages really mean, and I unlocked an achievement with the description "understood the margin of page 17", but I have absolutely no idea how I did it.

Spoiler - click to showYou must have used enough throwable bombs (fire, ice, explosive) to trigger the bonus. The more you use, the more 'extra' ones you earn - there'll be a +1 or more next to one of them. Read the bit along the bottom of the page. Bombs are great! Absolutely worth using.

Confused though, how are you still missing Blue if you've been to the Quarry? Unless I'm misremembering.

I haven't done much in the Quarry, really, just wandered around. I've just found the map, though, which should help.

I'm making some progress now, turns out I didn't need the yellow panels at all, I'd just missed a fairly obvious key on the overworld. I now have a shield! And a lantern! Huzzah!

I'll tell you one thing I don't like, ever (not just in games like this): secrets where there's absolutely no indication of something being there.

Spoiler - click to showI've found three chests - one containing a big coin! - where it was almost guesswork that something was hidden. One was out by the Atoll under a magic pillar… I tried to roll but didn't press a direction and it triggered the wall to move aside. Another was actually indicated subtly on a manual page: there's a chest near the start that's out of reach near a door, but the entrance doesn't appear to exist. On the map, there's an arrow pointing at a blank wall, so I threw a bomb at it and boom, entrance. I also found a similar exploding wall totally by accident in the Quarry, because someone threw a bomb at me that demolished it. Stuff like that is just annoying because bombs are a finite resource… you could waste them all looking for stuff and not find anything.

Gah, I've been wondering about that chest!

And now I have done all three keys.

Uh…

Found another bombable wall, and have three card slots, but there's still a bunch of places I can see and not reach. Is there some kind of Spoiler - click to showjump or short-range blink/teleport thing?

I also went looking online and found a guide to the in-game writing script. I haven't gone to the effort of translating anything yet, but it's a fascinating piece of work.

Insomnia has proved fruitful for my little fox; I found the green key, the magic orb, and a fire wand thing. Made it to the quarry but teleported out before exploring it.

And now I have done all three keys.

Uh…

Spoiler - click to showHave you explored the teleportation hub much before now? Notice anything… different? Found anywhere in the teleport hub you've not been yet?

Found another bombable wall

Location please!

and have three card slots

I think I have four. They're tied to putting coins in the well. I need three more coins for what appears to be the last one (according to the diagram in the manual, anyway).

but there's still a bunch of places I can see and not reach. Is there some kind of Spoiler - click to showjump or short-range blink/teleport thing?

Can't say, because it'd spoil stuff. But the ability I think we're missing is something that allows access to unreachable areas, yeah.

I also went looking online and found a guide to the in-game writing script. I haven't gone to the effort of translating anything yet, but it's a fascinating piece of work.

EDIT: Is it this one?

That makes sense to me quite quickly… I really want to try and translate everything without cheating or having someone else do it for me. Will need to make an effort.

Did you both find the changing room too? I'm very happy with my evil little green fox with a purple scarf. Can't for the life of me remember where it is though…

Changing room!? GIVE.

I don't remember exactly where, sorry - but I think the same arrangement of flowers was next to it? I know that probably doesn't help much…

Spoiler - click to showThere's a whole sequence of dots next to the treasure image in the manual… I wonder if that's what it's about?

Which page? I'll work it out from there.

This game. Good lord, this game.

I have caved and turned on No Fail because dying to a few overpowered enemies was ruining my fun. I feel no shame in this any more, though I'm still playing as though it's not on.

but there's still a bunch of places I can see and not reach. Is there some kind of Spoiler - click to showjump or short-range blink/teleport thing?

Can't say, because it'd spoil stuff. But the ability I think we're missing is something that allows access to unreachable areas, yeah.

I've got this now (it's immediately after the enemy rush I mentioned above) and it is indeed what you thought it was Ninchilla. But I still think what I thought it was is going to be a thing, if only because otherwise, something isn't accessible in any way.

I also just discovered one additional item that you can get… and I refuse to say any more. But I literally yelled OH NO WAY when I got it ('got it'?) and spent the rest of the evening being the mindblown.gif guy.

This game. GOOD LORD.

And now I have done all three keys.

Uh…

Spoiler - click to showHave you explored the teleportation hub much before now? Notice anything… different? Found anywhere in the teleport hub you've not been yet?

I've gone back, but aside from Spoiler - click to show the spirit being goneI can't see any change?

EDIT: Oops, found it.

EDIT 2: Fucking hell.

Yep. You gone done fucked up now, son.

Spoiler - click to showIn hindsight, how would No Fail mode even work there? I mean, you can't die… but you're meant to die. So, question mark?

Well,Spoiler - click to show you just die regardless.
I was fumbling in the menu when it happened, desperately trying to equip some bombs…

Please tell me when you get

Spoiler - click to showthe Holy Cross.

I really need to talk about this.

I've seen some references to it in the manual. At the moment, I'm going towards Spoiler - click to show the Cathedral but I'm not sure I shouldn't have spent some time before that exploringSpoiler - click to show the shadow world.

I've seen some references to it in the manual. At the moment, I'm going towards Spoiler - click to show the Cathedral but I'm not sure I shouldn't have spent some time before that exploringSpoiler - click to show the shadow world.

You can't. Quote from the other thread:

Spoiler - click to show> Where I'm at now, the game has actually removed some options… I thought I'd be able to explore, but a bunch of bridges have vanished and I've been funneled down a specific path. First time the game's done that. It's fine though, as I'm sure I'll get the option to backtrack… there are still too many things I haven't explored/picked up which are clearly in view.

Ah, didn't realise I'd got to that part. Never mind!

Spoiler - click to showI'm a real fox boy again!

So, I'm at a crossroads (metaphorically). General summary, which doesn't really spoil much if anything:

Spoiler - click to showOne ending is a boss fight and I'm ready for it. The other involves unraveling one gigantic puzzle and while I have all the pieces, I'm struggling to put them all together. I think I know what to do, but it just doesn't seem to be working as expected.

More detail which DEFINITELY spoils stuff:

Spoiler - click to showSpecifically related to the Fairy spread of the manual, I've managed to 'save one soul' in the secret gathering place. I've also worked out how the Seeking Spell works, and have used it to find key spots in the Eastern Vault, Great Library, East Forest and West Garden. But repeating the thing I did in the gathering place to make something appear does… nothing. Unless I'm doing it wrong, but I don't think I am because I drew the pattern on paper. I'll have to go back and try to see what I'm getting wrong here.

I really, really, REALLY don't want to look up the answer here, because I can feel that I'm so close. I haven't even started on

Spoiler - click to showpage 49 of the manual to try and unlock the door in the mountains… I know what it is, I just haven't started working on it yet.

I also don't want to go get one ending if it then means not being able to reload… I don't want to start over. Hmmm.

Update: I read one thing online. One. And now nearly everything has fallen into place. Moving on then!

Going to sum up this whole game in four words:

Spoiler - click to showHidden in plain sight

I've also taken my first baby steps into translating the language. I started small, but from there I think I can make great strides…

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/QFKLZBUQ

Spoiler - click to showD-ay/N/J-ir

I mean, it's obvious but it's also right. Yay!

I've finally made it through the West and am into the next collectathon. Loving how it's shaping up now, and am avoiding any and all spoilers from here on in… I might have a bash at translating too, I love a bit of cryptography.

Tonight involved a lot of scribbling translations, and I've Spoiler - click to showfinished the cathedral, rescued a couple of fairies, figured out the seeker spell thing, opened a bunch of the D-pad doors, and restored my corporeal form. I think I might have the Golden Path worked out, too, but I've not tried it yet.
No idea where to find the Spoiler - click to showHoly Cross, or this fabled changing room…

Tonight involved a lot of scribbling translations, and I've Spoiler - click to showfinished the cathedral, rescued a couple of fairies, figured out the seeker spell thing, opened a bunch of the D-pad doors, and restored my corporeal form. I think I might have the Golden Path worked out, too, but I've not tried it yet.

Spoiler - click to showWow, loads of progress! Did you translate 'Golden Path' or read it somewhere? I read it, for my sins. Will be working this out myself soon, I just need to grab more paper and a pen. I'm only missing four fairies, but one of them is connected to the big broken gold plaque in the East Forest…I know where two of the pieces are, need to find the third and then put the whole thing together to form the answer.

Now the only question is

Spoiler - click to showhow many secret treasures have you found for the trophy room in the Old House? I have three and need to go back to the Cathedral as I think the fourth is there. That windmill puzzle! Loved it.

No idea where to find the Spoiler - click to showHoly Cross, or this fabled changing room…

Dude.

Spoiler - click to showThe Holy Cross IS the D-pad. You had the magic in you the whole time!

The changing room is so well hidden, I forgot where it was and am amazed I found it in the first place.

Spoiler - click to showGo to the fountain in the overworld with a manual page in the middle of it, then check behind the trees on the right next to the spiral staircase.

Oh! Not a spoiler, but I found you can sleep in the bed in the Old House. That's useful.

Spoiler - click to showWow, loads of progress! Did you translate 'Golden Path' or read it somewhere? I read it, for my sins. Will be working this out myself soon, I just need to grab more paper and a pen. I'm only missing four fairies, but one of them is connected to the big broken gold plaque in the East Forest…I know where two of the pieces are, need to find the third and then put the whole thing together to form the answer.

I didn't translate or read anything, no - so I may be entirely wrong! I don't even know how to pick up Spoiler - click to showbits of a golden door…

Spoiler - click to showhow many secret treasures have you found for the trophy room in the Old House? I have three and need to go back to the Cathedral as I think the fourth is there. That windmill puzzle! Loved it.

Spoiler - click to showJust the one yet, though I didn't know what it's for. Haven't managed to do the windmill puzzle yet, though I think I know what I'm meant to do…

Dude.

Spoiler - click to showThe Holy Cross IS the D-pad. You had the magic in you the whole time!

Ohh… silly me.

I didn't translate or read anything, no - so I may be entirely wrong! I don't even know how to pick up Spoiler - click to showbits of a golden door…

Spoiler - click to showAh, right, gotcha. I only asked because it's specifically referred to by that name online, from what I've seen. Then again, I think you're getting things mixed up … the big chunks of gold statue are for finding a fairy. You can't pick them up, it looks like you just have to rebuild the pattern in your head. The Golden Path is something completely different on page 49 of the manual…

Spoiler - click to showhow many secret treasures have you found for the trophy room in the Old House? I have three and need to go back to the Cathedral as I think the fourth is there. That windmill puzzle! Loved it.

Spoiler - click to showJust the one yet, though I didn't know what it's for. Haven't managed to do the windmill puzzle yet, though I think I know what I'm meant to do…

Spoiler - click to show I'm up to six now, having got the Cathedral one, another in the graveyard - tricky! - and one right by the start of the game. Fun!

Spoiler - click to showThe Holy Cross IS the D-pad. You had the magic in you the whole time!

Ohh… silly me.

I don't think there's any silly about it… I'm genuinely loving how the game is putting stuff in front of you right from the very beginning and things only start to click when you know stuff. I mean

Spoiler - click to showPage 11 of the manual. You get that soooo early on. The oddity compared to the in-game scene is RIGHT THERE IN THE PICTURE and marked in the connecting text box. But until you know the Holy Cross stuff, you'd never even think of it…

There is some top spoiler-hiding work going on in this thread, and I for one really appreciate it. In fact, it's actually enhancing my enjoyment of the game to know there is so much that I don't know… Thanks gents!

This is definitely the highest concentration of spoiler tags I've ever seen on a forum.

Yes I appreciate it too. It's definitely making me more interested in playing the game, not much holds Mart's interest like this these days.

Turn off the combat, Gar, and play like you would do normally, only without the risk of death. I do think you'd like it. If you like Fez, this is a big one to dig into.

Turn off the combat, Gar, and play like you would do normally, only without the risk of death. I do think you'd like it. If you like Fez, this is a big one to dig into.

Yep, exactly what I'm doing. I'm very pleased to have been proved wrong about it - it works really well without risk of death, the world/puzzles are much better and more interesting than I expected. Turns out the devs did know what they were doing after all, whodathunkit…

I'm tempted to play myself but I'm still in the early section of The Outer Worlds and I just started Trails in the Sky. Starting another game just now seems silly. Still, it does sound fun…

I finished this at lunchtime.

I cannot tell a lie: I've looked at the three achievements I'm missing and Spoiler - click to show two of them require me to replay the whole thing again.

Ugh. I hate it when there are missable achievements like that. It's just horrible.

I was pottering around the eastern forest over lunchtime, spotted a doorway I'd previous missed, discovered a whole other area I didn't know existed, and spent some time in dark tunnels (and a blind panic) swinging wildly at big spiders.

I also found a magic knife in the western gardens, and found the teleport pad there but can't figure out how to reach it.

Red Key Get!

I also found a magic knife in the western gardens, and found the teleport pad there but can't figure out how to reach it.

Don't worry about it, come back later.

I finished Spoiler - click to showthe golden path!
I did have to look up Spoiler - click to showwhere to find manual page 55, and I kept fucking up on entering the thing for ages, but I got there in the end!
I'm not sure it's worth it…

I've also found Spoiler - click to showmore fairies, obviously; up to 11 now, and four(?) secret treasures. I've changed my appearance, too, but I'm not sure I like it.

Currently operating the assumption that going back to Spoiler - click to showthe sword/heir chamberwill end the game, so I'm just going back through everywhere looking for Holy Cross stuff and other hidden bits.

I think I can feel my patience starting to wane, though; I'm not much of a completionist, so I don't have the urge to get everything; getting towards the point now where I think I'd be happy to call it done.

I finished Spoiler - click to showthe golden path!
I did have to look up Spoiler - click to showwhere to find manual page 55, and I kept fucking up on entering the thing for ages, but I got there in the end!
I'm not sure it's worth it…

Spoiler - click to showCompleting the manual is the only way to unlock the other (good) ending. You also need page 1 to get one of the secret treasures. Don't make the same mistake I did though… unless you've already got all the pages, in which case it's too late. You can only get the good ending now.

I've also found Spoiler - click to showmore fairies, obviously; up to 11 now, and four(?) secret treasures.

Spoiler - click to showI'm going to need to look into what the point of the secret treasures are, besides achievements. The portal they unlock seems to appear before you get them all, and when you do get all 12 nothing changes. So… huh.

Currently operating the assumption that going back to Spoiler - click to showthe sword/heir chamberwill end the game, so I'm just going back through everywhere looking for Holy Cross stuff and other hidden bits.

Spoiler - click to showYes. If you have all the pages, good ending; if you don't, bad ending with the option to pick it back up where you finished to get the remaining pages.

I think I can feel my patience starting to wane, though; I'm not much of a completionist, so I don't have the urge to get everything; getting towards the point now where I think I'd be happy to call it done.

Me too. I don't think I have the energy to get those last three achievements, even though they'd be fairly easy (but not quick). But hey, I loved it while it lasted.