Moving Pictures

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Ninchilla

Wasted 2 hours of my life this evening on Annihilation. Good cast, interesting premise, unrewarding slog. It's got decent tension throughout, then decides to try and out-weird 2001 in the last 15 minutes, and takes a turn for the fucking bizarre. Also has an infuriating and nonsensical Ambiguous Final Shot, as these things are apparently contractually obliged to do.

Not recommended.

EDIT: having thought about it, the final shot might be less ambiguous than I initially assumed. It's no less infuriating for the revelation, however. Still not recommended.

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Brian Bloodaxe

I've had Annihilation recommended to me and was thinking of watching it. I liked Sunshine though and this sounds similar.

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aniki

Annihilation is a tremendous movie that I wasn't able to enjoy because I was too busy comparing it to the novel (so, same as Arrival), despite knowing that they share basically no elements beyond the existence of the Shimmer and the all-female research team (but the individual makeup of that team is different as well).

I really need to rewatch it with fresh eyes.

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Ninchilla

I've had Annihilation recommended to me and was thinking of watching it. I liked Sunshine though and this sounds similar.

Same writer. I liked Sunshine okay, as I recall. This just lost any goodwill I had managed to build up in the last act.

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aniki

You might get on better with the book. It's more Lovecraftian than the movie, which had to make a lot of changes to work at all in a visual medium. (I'm not overstating it to say that seeing the film has spoiled zero events from the book.)

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aniki

Bear with me.

Taika Waititi has cashed in his Thor Ragnarok bank to make Jojo Rabbit: a movie set in WWII Germany, about a boy in the Hitler Youth who discovers that his mother is hiding a Jewish girl in their attic. The boy's imaginary friend, Adolf Hitler, is played by Waititi; the cast also includes Scarlett Johansson and Sam Rockwell.

I'm looking forward to this movie more than probably anything else I've seen announced. The subject matter is a razor-thin line to walk if ever I've seen one; there a chance that this will be an ill-advised misfire, but I have basically unshakable faith in Taika Waititi at this point.

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Garwoofoo

I watched Blade Runner last night for the first time in maybe 20 years. Somewhat foolishly I persuaded my other half to watch it with me, despite knowing she doesn't really do sci-fi (maybe our recent success with Marvel movies persuaded me it might be otherwise). I had to deploy the arguments "it's got Harrison Ford in it, how bad can it be?" and "if we watch this, we can then watch a brand new movie with Ryan Gosling in it" so I'm not proud of myself but it worked.

What a mistake! I hadn't appreciated fully that every sci-fi movie should apparently be judged purely and solely on how accurate its depiction of the future is. So she started sniggering at the date of 2019 on the title card, smirked at the flying cars, openly mocked the movie for its use of CRT monitor technology and completely lost it at Harrison Ford's shirt (it is, to be fair, a really horrible shirt).

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Any attempt to point out the movie's exceptional atmosphere, evocative soundtrack and film noir stylings were completely lost in the face of the onslaught of derision at the fact the movie featured a billboard with Pan Am written on it..

(I quite enjoyed the film, for what it's worth. It's more stylish and much more slight than I remembered. Rutger Hauer is great.)

We're watching 2049 next week. God help me.

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Ninchilla

Oh dear. The "romance" is kind of the only major issue I think Blade Runner has; the design and atmosphere are as close to unassailable as just about anything I've seen, 80s futurism and all.

I liked 2049.

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Minx

I never saw Star Wars growing up & had a similar experience when aniki had me watch it. It's so ingrained in pop culture that the original seemed like a ridiculous parody.

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Garwoofoo

Yeah, I hadn't really appreciated this but there's a weird kind of triple disconnect you need to do when watching Blade Runner - firstly the acceptance that it's pretty old now so you need to make the usual allowances for the special effects and the general style of the movie which is inevitably of its time; then there's its very distinctive 1980s view of the near future which has obviously dated catastrophically; then there's the fact that the whole thing's basically aping a style of movie from 40 years before its time so that then adds a further layer of confusion to the whole thing.

I guess I'm more familiar with science fiction of this vintage (Alien is probably the closest reference point) and had obviously seen Blade Runner before (admittedly a very long time ago, and a different cut) but taken on its own merits, for someone not versed in this stuff, it really is quite a hurdle. I'm intrigued to see how on earth they've approached 2049 as I can't imagine how a sequel to this could possibly even begin to work.

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aniki

2049 is great, but the most impressive thing about it is that Villeneuve managed to get a good performance out of Harrison Ford.

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aniki

Saw Ocean's 8. Fairly lightweight but enjoyable fluff with some solid performances (Ann Hathaway in particular was great). Though it's interesting to contrast how the women and their lives outside of this job are portrayed compared to their male counterparts in the Clooney films.

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Brian Bloodaxe

Tonight I watched Divergent. It's only notable feature is that it manages to make no sense and yet be completely predictable.

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aniki

Finally getting around to watching the new(ish - the first one is now seven years old) Planet of the Apes trilogy.

So far I've only seen Rise but I really enjoyed it. James Franco is pretty awful in it but let's be honest - he's pretty awful in everything, and we're all here for Andy Serkis anyway. Honestly most of the human performances are pretty perfunctory, entirely in service of the story rather than offering anything particularly interesting.

Spoiler - click to showI already knew that Caesar speaks in the movie, and even knew what his first "line" is, but it's still an incredible moment. What makes it even better is where in the movie it comes - right after the most brazen of many references to the original film, which somehow makes it even more powerful.

The effects range from stunning to merely great (sunset lighting poses a particular challenge for compositing, it seems), but the facial capture/animation on Caesar is amazing. I'm starting to think that Serkis might be right about performance capture being unfairly snubbed by the Oscars.

I think I'm going to jump right into the second one.

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JDubYes

The new Apes trilogy is remarkably consistent in terms of quality (and the apes outshining the humans in the performance department), so you're in for a treat if you enjoyed the first, as the sequels are both at least as good (and probably better), as far as I recall.

I'm increasingly intent on re-watching all three of them (having only recently seen the third), as I was pleasantly surprised by them all, having never really seen any of the originals, and not really being familiar with the franchise at all - most of any in-jokes and references I will have probably missed, and any I got would've just been what I've picked up from pop-culture references, clip shows and the like.

(I did see the Tim Burton one in cinemas, for my sins, and Bri's Divergent review actually rather nicely summarises the "twist" at the end of that nonsense too.)

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aniki

Dawn down. Not as big a fan of it, though the Last of Us-meets-political intrigue with monkeys thing was actually surprisingly effective. It felt much longer than the first, though.

Gary Oldman was great in it, but the rest of the human characters were handily outdone by the apes again and there was a subplot with Jason Clark's son and new girlfriend that was entirely unnecessary. Always great to see Kirk Acevedo in stuff though, even if he always does seem to get stuck playing assholes these days.

Gonna jump straight to War now.

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Garwoofoo

It’s a trilogy?? I was vaguely aware they’d maybe done a new one since the Tim Burton one but had honestly no idea they’d made a whole series of the things.

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aniki

War for the Planet of the Apes is… well, it's fine.

The increasingly life-like visual effects are somewhat undermined in this one by the number of entirely-CGI shots, where the film ends up looking like it's set in Horizon: Zero Dawn or some other late-generation PS4 roam-em-up. And dramatic tension was almost completely annihilated by the melodramatic score.

It also abandons any notion that the human-ape conflict might be complicated, and just has Caesar's apes face off against Woody Harrelson's outright unhinged military fascist. In the previous entries the human perspective was at least understandable, but the antagonist here is willing to put hundreds of the handful of remaining human lives at risk to kill a bunch of monkeys who, at the start of the film, tell him they don't want any trouble and if he leaves them alone then everything will be cool. This alongside the fact that he's gearing up for a full-blown insurrection against the remnants of his chain of command, so should probably be saving all his resources for that.

I'd probably rank them 2-1-3, though aside from the ape effects there's probably not much to recommend the series.

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aniki

Some serious Resident Evil VII/Evil Within vibes off this trailer for the new movie from The Raid director Gareth Evans.

I don't usually go for horror movies but I really like this director and Dan Stevens blew my mind in Legion, so this is an extremely tempting proposition. I'm kind of glad it's on Netflix, so I don't have to get embarrassingly terrified in a public cinema setting.

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aniki

I didn't know anything about this movie until five minutes ago, but this trailer has made me very interested in a very short time.

It's got John Goodman and Vera Farmiga in it, and it's directed by the guy who did the first of the recent Planet of the Apes movie (aka the one everybody likes the least).

Sure, it could turn out to be Battle: LA but I'm willing to give an original science fiction movie a shot.

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Ninchilla

Unrelated to the trailer itself (which does look interesting), why do trailers now all have their own little 5-second mini-trailer on the front? I'M ALREADY WATCHING THE TRAILER. YOU DON'T NEED TO ADVERTISE THE TRAILER TO ME.

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Brian Bloodaxe

That's the unskippable bit when the video pops up as an ad before the video you actually wanted to watch comes on. So it is literally a meta trailer, trying to convince you to not hit skip and watch the trailer.

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luscan

Unrelated to the trailer itself (which does look interesting), why do trailers now all have their own little 5-second mini-trailer on the front? I'M ALREADY WATCHING THE TRAILER. YOU DON'T NEED TO ADVERTISE THE TRAILER TO ME.

People going past it on facebook/twitter on their phones will see that first bit usually?

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aniki

Apostle hit Netflix today. It's pretty great, a schlocky B-movie horror flick (in the best possible way) but shot with the visceral urgency you'd expect from the guy that did The Raid. There's less action on show here than in his previous filmography, but Evans never keeps his camera more than about eight inches from the violence when it does decide to punctuate the deeply creepy atmosphere.

Spoiler - click to showI wasn't expecting it to take such a strong turn into the supernatural, but it doesn't oversell things or try to explain it, so it mostly worked for me.

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aniki

If you've ever wanted to watch two hours of unspeakably horrible people doing unspeakably horrible violence against each other, have I got the movie for you!

I'd heard positive comparisons between The Night Comes For Us and martial arts all-timer The Raid – not least because the movies share their top-billed actors – but this was just deeply unpleasant in a way that The Raid never was.

A high-ranking Triad killer has an inexplicable (for him) change of heart, mowing down his fellow death-squad murderers to save a little girl from the massacre he'd just carried out; he runs to hide out with his Jakarta ghetto crew, which just draws a collection of increasingly strange assassins trying to kill him and the girl (who is little more than a macguffin).

The volume of fake blood on show here, and the rate at which it is sprayed across the sets, would be impressive if it didn't feel so perfunctory; it feels like a weird, even sociopathic, thing to say, but there's just no joy in what this film is doing.

The Raid was a desperate scramble for survival; every defeated enemy was a temporary victory for the protagonists. In this, the nameless thugs who get machete'd, shot, mutli-stabbed or clubbed with snooker balls to death in dutch angles are just meat for the grinder.

The "hero" isn't someone that I found it possible to root for. His change of heart, which sparks the events of the film, makes no sense with anything we learn about his character from the handful of flashbacks sprinkled through the film, and isn't reflected in the brutality he continues to dish out throughout the course of the movie.

The girl he saves is just barely given a name, in between hiding in the bathroom, or hiding in the back seat of a car, or hiding under a car, or hiding in another bathroom. There's a scene, which made me think of this meme, where the little girl comforts the man who slaughtered everyone she's ever known because he's sad that his cadre of low-grade drug-pushing friends (who he hadn't seen in three years and each of whom he beat up upon reuniting) were killed by another low-grade drug-pushing criminal who he'd deliberately pissed off.

(By "pissed off", I of course mean, "brutally murdered all of his employees".)

The rogues' gallery of assassins threatens, briefly, to be interesting until the two main ones turn out (of course) to be lesbians with a fetish for killing, each with their own inconveniently specific weapons which prove to be their ultimate downfall; another latecomer is just Ramona Flowers But She's Got A Gun.

But perhaps the worst thing about it is how little Iko Uwais gets to do. The final showdown between him and the film's protagonist in the closing minutes is the only part where he really gets into gear, and it's honestly thrilling to watch him just for the speed he can throw a punch. Like most of the fights, however, this one is dragged out to the point of exhaustion, and the opening momentum is completely gone by the time the combat collapses to the ground in a ludicrous puddle of fake blood.

Not really recommended.

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aniki

Guillermo del Toro is writing, producing and directing a stop-motion animated musical adaptation of Pinocchio for Netflix.

The film will be set in Italy during the 1930s, a particularly fraught historical moment and a time when Fascism was on the rise and Benito Mussolini was consolidating control of the country. Production on Pinocchio will begin this fall.

Yes, please.

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dizzy_est_un_oeuf

I watched Mandy the other night. It's very much a film of two halves. The first hour didn't feel long but it is very deliberate in setting a tone and building the world for the characters to inhabit. The 2nd is an out and out revenge thriller set in a series of Slayer album covers, it's got cult movie written all over it. Would probably recommend which is about as enthusiastic as I can get about violent b-movies these days.

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aniki

I realise that I've only played the third game, but Cavill definitely doesn't look as grizzled as I expected.

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Ninchilla

That's not a major deal, if they're doing younger book-Geralt. My main takeaway is that he just looks a bit confused/concerned; like maybe he's as worried about the wig as everyone else is.

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aniki

he just looks a bit confused/concerned

Cavill's looked like that in most things I've seen him in.

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Garwoofoo

I just came here specifically to post that. I have no idea what to make of it at all, but it's a lot better than I was expecting it to be.

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Ninchilla

I think it looks incredible. I wasn't expecting to have much of an opinion on it, but I really want to see this.

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aniki

I just can't figure out who it's for. The visuals just seem totally at odds with everything in the source material. It's making me think of the Super Mario Bros. movie's inexplicable hard left into Blade Runner dystopia and genetic engineering.

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Mr Party Hat

It's for all the kids who fell in love with Red and Blue. The people who are now 30-somethings and could still name most of the original 150.

I'm so on board. Also Mr Mime is bloody terrifying.

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luscan

I just can't figure out who it's for. The visuals just seem totally at odds with everything in the source material. It's making me think of the Super Mario Bros. movie's inexplicable hard left into Blade Runner dystopia and genetic engineering.

It's for people that think that maybe it's time for a new roger rabbit movie. I am 100% here for it though.

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aniki

This may not come as a surprise to many - or indeed any - people, but Pacific Rim Uprising is… not that great.

Boyega is pretty great, when the awkward script allows him to be, but it takes far too long to get going, there's quite a lot of dull exposition that eats up the middle of the film, and the climax is utterly without threat. It's a Saturday morning cartoon, an edited American TV broadcast of the the original movie's late-night anime style.

Honestly it just feels like a reasonably good Netflix show that got trimmed down to movie length by cutting out all of the connective tissue that would have made me give a shit about anyone.

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Garwoofoo

I watched a movie called Whiplash on Netflix and it's the best film about jazz drumming I've ever seen. OK, so it's the only film about jazz drumming I've ever seen, but it's damn good all the same. Featuring JK Simmons as a psychopathic conductor, which should be all the recommendation you need.

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aniki

I've heard great things about it, but never got around to it at the cinema; I didn't realise it had already hit Netflix. Cheers for the heads-up!

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JDubYes

Whiplash is a genuinely great movie. Surprisingly tense, and pleasingly unpredictable, it's one of the best new movies I've seen in years.

I saw Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri the other week, and while I thought it was great, I'm not sure why it had quite the buzz it did. I really did enjoy it, but if you've seen a McDonagh film before (and I have, though I somehow didn't know TBOEE was one of his before I sat down to watch it) it doesn't really stand out that much from the others in a lot of ways (despite having possibly the best cast, and worthiest theme), sharing a lot of the same tropes, and on balance I might still prefer In Bruges. I can understand why the performances got Oscar nominations (and indeed wins), but I'm less sure about the film itself, though maybe a rewatch will help there.

Speaking of which, I really need to rewatch The Shape of Water too - I was really looking forward to that, and thought it was great, but it being Best Picture (bearing in mind the odd subject matter and tone) was a bit of a surprise. It's a lovely film in many ways, but (and I appreciate this might be quite a niche "complaint") it was quite distracting to what extent it could've been 'The Early Adventures of Abe Sapien" (from Hellboy).

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aniki

Saw Ralph Breaks The Internet last night - its pretty good, even if the rest of this post is going to be a bit of a downer. Minx and I are both big fans of the original, so this had a high bar to clear and it didn't quite make it over (for me, at least – I'll let Minx speak for herself).

It just doesn't really have a point. It starts off with a "save [arcade game] from being permanently unplugged!" plot that's quite familiar if you've seen the first film, but that gets solved relatively easily, and then they've got to invent a threat for the third act which ends up feeling forced (and undermines Ralph's character a lot), and anyway since what's at stake is the entire internet I actually had very little in the way of investment in the outcome.

The first film's stakes were small and personal, and the theme – you are more than what box society puts you in – was actually quite effectively communicated. The sequel feels a bit rote.

That said, its portrayal of the internet as a physical space (and the users within it) is very effective, and the character work is great – Gal Gadot in particular knocks it out of the park. It also has a couple of jokes that destroyed us both, and just like the first film the background details are pitched perfectly.

And it has probably the best car chase of the year.

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dizzy_est_un_oeuf

I watched Calibre last night. It is one of those films Netflix picked up for distribution which doesn't look like it's anything very special. My girlfriend knows one of the actors in it and we've been meaning to watch it for a while.
It's a really solid thriller about a hunting trip in the Scottish Highlands that goes wrong. The pacing is excellent, the terrible event was a genuine surprise

EDIT: just went back and checked the Netflix trailer which I guess I watched back in October when we saw the guy we know in it, it does give a fair amount away, just go in cold.

and I'm saying this as someone who'd watched the preview on Netflix and read, I think, one review. It's a tight 100 minutes with great performances; very solid, nothing flashy but well done and gripping.