Final Fantasy XIV

Started by Garwoofoo
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Garwoofoo

FFXV's a game that has loads of really good stuff in it but is still an absolute mess overall. The aesthetic (American open-topped cars and 1950s diners, with swords and magic) is really fucking odd even by the standards of the series. The pacing of the story is bizarre: it starts off with loads of urgency, quickly settles into about fifty hours of driving around aimlessly, then packs the entire plot into three hours of completely linear gameplay right at the end, plus the DLC. It basically demands that you've watched a 90-minute movie and a load of YouTube cartoons in order to have even the slightest idea what's going on. The camera in the combat system always seems to be giving you a lovely close-up of a bush (not a euphemism) while all the action happens off-screen.

It's worth playing for the banter between the four main characters, the music, the photorealistic food, and as Alastor says, the absolutely outstanding fishing minigame. But it's not one of my favourite Final Fantasies.

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wev

I'm glad you're enjoying it, the four mains and their interactions are great, Fishing is one of the best of all mandatory JRPG fishing minigames, warp striking everywhere like a madman was pretty fun. Erm…what's his name is a good villain…etc <– don't let it be said I never have nice things to say about FFXV :^)

Ardyn was the precursor for Emet ;)

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Alastor

I agree, Emet has to be Top 3 in 'Best FF villain' if not the best tbh (Not played FF11, rip) for me. Shadowbringers was too good.

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Mr Party Hat

Well, I have literally no idea what happened at any point in the game, but I thoroughly enjoyed that.

My genuine understanding of the plot:

Spoiler - click to showTwo royal fashion models in fantasy Route 66 are due to be married. Fashion Prince goes on a road trip with his retinue, driving to the wedding which is in Venice. A big sea dragon did NOT like the wedding so killed the bride. Fashion Prince goes to some sort of Serbian military facility and finds a big crystal containing the bad guy from FF14, except he's a good guy. Some more juju happens, the end.

At no point did I have any sense who any of the characters were, who the bad guy was (was there a bad guy?) or what my mission was. It was all mental.

But I thoroughly enjoyed it. It looked purdy.

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Alastor

ngl the conversation at the end in the camp was so sad tbh

EDIT - Mr Party Hat did you like this song????

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luscan

wait…..even after all those updates ;;

hi

You can't patch a game that was clearly stuck in development hell for over half a decade into a good game, Alastor.

It's incredible just how much of a mess this game is. From a narrative perspective it's as much, if not more, of a car crash as any Final Fantasy game.

Really important, pivotal plot beats happen off screen and in an anime, and simply aren't addressed in the game because it was apparently decided that this was too difficult. I reached the end of Chapter 5 last night and it introduced a new character; some guy in white with a sword that made Noct and his pals look like utter chumps. The supposed shields of the prince got fucking clowned on by this guy in less than a second and then he just kind of stopped because reasons? The characters are all suffering from some major multiple personality disorder. Also there's a dog delivery system. I've been playing DQ11 at the same time, and for some reason when it goes 'ah! The Knights of Heliodor! They're bastards!' or whatever I go "okay, that is a thing from the world that I now know and can expect to show up later-" whereas when this goes 'the archaea is responsible for holding up the meteor and this is an important factor in our worship' I can just put that idea in the fucking bin because that's where it came from/where it belongs.

The fanservice stuff makes my fucking skin crawl.

It has no idea what it wants its identity to be. Is it an Advent Children cyberpunk-ish futuristic story, with power plants, drop-troopers and dudes in black clothing? Is it medieval European, with kings and knights and swords? Is it Monster Hunter?

There are 5 maps, all of which show the same information, none of which show the information you want, and none of them have quick travel.

There are so many system that don't line up with anything else and don't seem like they were thought through in a meaningful way. In Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition, there's a thing called an Inspiration Die. Inspiration is different from Bardic Inspiration, even though it kind of does the same thing. Inspiration is something the GM can give to a player as a booster for an action they're going to take. It appears on every official character sheet. It has 3 paragraphs of text explaining what it is in the PHB and that's it. It is never used anywhere else, it doesn't tie into anything, and the developers of 5th edition have said that it was an idea they came up with, kind of liked, didn't know what to do with, didn't want to get rid of it in case they wanted to do something with it later, and it just kind of stuck around.

That is pretty much everything about Final Fantasy 15. Just different ideas that someone went 'oh man, that'd be cool' and then half implemented a half thought out idea in a half assed way leaving us with one eighth of a shit game system. Maybe it's having to press three buttons to collect a material node. Maybe it's the fact Prompto can take photographs of things in a fight but you never actually would do that. Maybe it's the way you have to rent chocobos from a vendor, call them with a whistle, get on them. Maybe it's that there's a chocobo levelling system that apparently means it can help you in a fight. Or it's the way that the chocobos sprint button and jump buttons are different from your sprint and jump button. Or maybe it's just how deep the chocobo customisation thing is.

All of that shit leads into the concept of 'chocobo' but that's a total dead end.

And the Regalia. Fuck me, this car is just awful. It's slow, ugly and sounds dreadful. More than that, it's absolutely no fun to drive. I hit a bit where they game said 'you may now control the Regalia!' and I was like 'oh, fuck, did this game just give me my Mass Effect Mako is it about to get fun?' Tabata then leant over my shoulder and went 'hahah no, no, friend.'

The control you have over it is 'you can turn it 90 degrees at intersections' and 'you can swerve a bit in your lane' but otherwise that's your lot.

I have no idea how but it's like everything from GTA3 onwards simply didn't happen to the people that made this game. Like, the idea of player freedom, or of things having any degree of consistency, is such an alien concept that it was excised with all the grace of an axe murderer excising my head from my shoulders.

The absolute worst thing about this - the thing that stands head and shoulders above it all - is how when I play it, I stop and think to myself 'holy shit this would have been such a better game if Ubisoft made it.' That might be the most damning thing I can say about it.

3/10.

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Garwoofoo

Man you've got so much fun to come. You haven't even got to the bit where one of the team suddenly develops an obsession with a real-life brand of pot noodles, and literally turns to the camera and tells everyone how delicious they are like he's waiting for his advertising cheque to come in. Or the bit where they visit a city that's full of actual real-life fashion brands and this is never explained. Or the bit where they ran out of time and money and made the whole final third of the game a barely-interactive linear sequence of cut-scenes and fights. Or the bit where whole chunks of plot are simply skipped over, then reinserted as DLC. I hope you watched the two-hour movie before you started, too, because that's where half the story is.

It's an absolute mess of a game. Nice food, though.

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luscan

Man you've got so much fun to come. You haven't even got to the bit where one of the team suddenly develops an obsession with a real-life brand of pot noodles, and literally turns to the camera and tells everyone how delicious they are like he's waiting for his advertising cheque to come in. Or the bit where they visit a city that's full of actual real-life fashion brands and this is never explained. Or the bit where they ran out of time and money and made the whole final third of the game a barely-interactive linear sequence of cut-scenes and fights. Or the bit where whole chunks of plot are simply skipped over, then reinserted as DLC. I hope you watched the two-hour movie before you started, too, because that's where half the story is.

It's an absolute mess of a game. Nice food, though.

It's leaving gamepass on PC soon so I'm trying to get through it before Feb 1st. I had a pot noodle encounter with Gladio (or Punch Meatslab as I think of him).

God, the Dialogue between the boys is so stilted and awful. They don't talk to each other in a way that people talk to each other. Christ, they don't talk to each other in the way that anime characters talk to each other. The idea of Gladio being an overprotective brother doesn't come across at all. We're told about it but never shown it, and then his dad gets kidnapped or something and he just kind of goes 'welp, them's the breaks' and everyone moves on with their life.

At the end of the day you can scroll through the photographs that've been taken by Prompto; there's a picture he's taken of his sister who's name I can't remember but let's just call her Geferlda (pronounced Gej-reda) because fuck me every name in this game is terrible (part of the reason it is impossible for me to give a shit about any of these characters is they're called things that are simultaneously ludicrous but also staggeringly unmemorable so it's hard to build up any attachment to anything because- wait, the planet is called Eos? And- wait our capital city is called Insomnia? what the actual wait where was I oh right Buff Meatpecs 's sister) where it wouldn't take more than one line of dialogue from Punch Meatslab to make you go 'oh, he's protective of his sister.' Scroll over the picture, have him go 'Hey, that's my sister. Why're you taking pictures of her, Noct? Don't make me cast a consumable fire spell on you.'

Oh my god magic is a consumable that take 11 clicks to create, equip, and cast it's so bad

Fuck, I hate all of these characters so much. Darren De'Paul is getting a great opportunity to chew the scenery as the bad guy though, so that's nice.

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Garwoofoo

I don't mind Ignis, if only because he appears perpetually fed up of everyone else's bullshit. He just wants to drive the car and cook nice dinners.

Everyone else is hateful. Noctis is a haircut looking for a personality. Prompto is a cunt and I genuinely don't know why they didn't just dump him at the first gas station they reached and drive off. There are no female characters with any agency in the entire game.

Oh, the fishing game's OK. I enjoyed that.

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luscan

There are no female characters with any agency in the entire game.

how the fuck do you not just die of shame when animating that. I guess agency is when she gets a unique animation for cleaning the car you see it shows she really has a love of the vehicle and a kind vehicle empathy where she wants it to look its best and actually it's very empowering and besides all the guys look great too because I dont understand the difference between power fantasies and male gaze

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wev

And here I was thinking someone else had decided to pick up XIV.

So, on subject, just beat Kefka and got the minion!

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Alastor

In the Savage version you fight the God Kefka form. It's a new tradition they started with the raid before the tier you just beat, which was a FF5 raid where you fight Exdeath (obviously). 'World First' Raiders all raced to beat the fight as soon as possible, they beat Exdeath and then out of nowhere…

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Alastor

New Expansion! (spoilers I guess)

FFXIV: Endwalker

(some of these will be obvious)

  • TEASER SHOWS WE'RE GOING TO THE FUCKING MOON
  • Level Cap increase to 90.
  • takes place in Radz-at-Han and…GARLEMALD!!!! (It looks like it got fucking nuked)
    -New classes, Sage and ????

    -New beast tribes
  • New enemies
    -They are ending the 10 year storyline of Zodiark vs Hydaelyn :o
    -Possible EU Data Centre travel so I can meet Gar, Wev and MPH?????????????????????
    -PS5 version of XIV announced (free for PS4 version owners)
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wev

Also WoL changes from DRK in Shadowbringers and is now PLD and stood on the MOON

I'm digging my psp copy of ffiv out

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wev

Seeing as this has become the thread for "All Things Final Fantasy", I started FFIV at the weekend and despite it being around 30 years old and absolutely chock full of random battles, its really, really good. I'm playing the slightly updated PSP version rather than the "3D Visuals" NDS version, so it "feels" more retro.

So far I've been betrayed by, well, nearly everyone, renounced my Dark Knight ways, become a Paladin, had two annoying kids sacrifice themselves to save me and been turned into a toad, pig and mini'd by the citizens of one town. Speaking of which, the game has a bit of an obsession with dancers, in most towns you can find a girl who will then dance for you, there's a couple of occasions where it tricks you (one in the aforementioned village, another where the dancing girl turns into a man before he dances on a bar), but it's oddly fun seeking them out.

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wev

Totally panicked on floor 181 of Palace of the Dead, triggered a trap, got mobbed by a massive Chimera and causes a party wipe. Back to floor 51 it is…

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Alastor

Well, I've finished the Endwalker MSQ, through the horrible login queues and disconnects. Was going to post thoughts as I went, but with the issues just mentioned I thought I might as well wait.

This is the best expansion in the game I think, yes even better than Shadowbringers. It's got pacing issues and it's insanely long in comparison to other launch patches but you could not think of a better executed ending to a decade old arc that began with 1.0. If you've been in Eorzea for a while, I think you will feel that last trial in your core, it's so fucking good. It's such a solid ending you really do have to wonder where we go from there, what the next arc will be, though I do think it's kinda'…brave of them to end this arc and the decade long history and investment they built up for it, it's like they actually cared enough to see they didn't want to drag it out and make it feel padded. Anyway, very emotional ending to a very emotional expansion, like ShB didn't make me nearly tear up as badly as this one did and I'm not even talking about stuff at the end with that it gets real very quickly. (Soken as ever, knocked the music out of the fucking park as usual)

Zones are better than ShB too, nice mix of cultures and styles and well, you go the fucking Moon, nuff said. Took a shitload of pics maybe I'll spoiler post them in the screenshot thread later. The two new classes seem really cool although I have gone back to maining Paladin/Tanks so I won't touch them for a long time, can't deny it's cool to see a Lalafell summon his grim reaper ghost out of the darkness though. <3

Too bad the launch issues are still happening today, the only reason I found time to write this was I got a 4k person queue trying to log in, but hey.

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Mr Party Hat

Is the AI good enough to get through dungeons without much hassle?

I had to stop playing this midway through Shadowbringers when real life got in the way. I’d love to go back, but queueing for dungeons, learning the mechanics and playing with real people just aren’t possible with an eleven-month-old potentially waking up at any moment.

Can you solo the last two expansions now?

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Alastor

I've only used the trust's once but they were surprisingly competent provided I didn't pull every single mob wall to wall, afaik every dungeon will have trusts

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Garwoofoo

Xbox version confirmed for Spring 2024, with full cross play and an open beta.

It actually hit the dates it promised, which is a real surprise! The open beta is running now and the full game releases in two weeks.

Trying to resist jumping back into this. It's been so long since I played it I would have to start again but that's not much of a hardship. I don't have the time of course but it's such a great game.

Alastor - is the free trial as generous as it appears to be (the main game plus two full expansions, with no fees to pay and no time limit? That sounds too good to be true). And what's the status with AI party members these days, can you play all the dungeons "solo" with NPC support in order to learn them? I used to love tanking but playing a new dungeon for the first time with no idea what was going on was so mega-stressful I had to drop the role, I wonder if I'd enjoy it more with a less pressured environment.

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Alastor

It lets you play through Stormblood but you can't join a free company/guild, use the market board or use whispers. As far as I know Trusts aren't fully implemented before Shadowbringers yet but they are working on it. Other that you basically have hundreds of hours free to play, i haven't tried it but i think it really is as good as it sounds.